December 13, 2006

Gratuitous Domestic Posting (TM) - Stump The Chump Division

For Advent, the eldest Llama-ette and I have been reading the Gospels out of a children's illustrated Bible that made its way into the house. (The book was published in the early 60's and is wonderfully dated - as drawn, Jesus is a tall, blond, blue-eyed Viking and Mary looks like something out of Prince Valiant.)

Last evening we were talking about Jesus' temptations in the wilderness. This is a subject of keen interest to the Llama-ette. By whatever sequence of genetics, she has inherited the ornery streak known in my family as the "MacDill taint" after the clan from which one of my ancestors picked it up. This trait (which I'm happy to say I do not have) manifests itself in occasional outbursts of bullying, teasing and general cussed behavior. In order to help her cope with it, we've long told her that the urge she sometimes feels to be ugly comes from the devil. We explain that she does not, in fact, have to listen to his whisperings, but instead should be true to herself and remain good. For what it's worth and before you call the social services nazis down on us, this strategy has worked. In addition to being sound theology, it provides her with a very concrete set of images she can use to work through the problem - on more than one occasion the gel has said something like, "Daddy, the devil was sitting on my shoulder telling me to be bad, but I picked him up by the tail and threw him in the trash can."

Anyhoo, the illustration of Jesus' temptation comes complete with a horned and cloven-hooved devil (apparently fleeing from Beowulf) and the Llama-ette wanted to know more about him. Where did he come from? Was he always bad? Oh, no, I said. While we call him Satan now, in the beginning his name was Lucifer and he was the greatest angel in Heaven. "So what happened?" she asked. Well, I said, he got too ambitious and thought he could run Heaven better than God, so he tried to take over and God threw him into hell in punishment. He tries now to get his revenge by inflicting as much wickedness on God's world as he can.

Then the gel hit me with the theological stumper. "Well, if he wasn't bad to begin with and everything else God made was good, where did Satan's evil come from?"

Erm.....

I rapidly flipped through my mental notes on Milton, Tolkien and C.S. Lewis to try and find a suitable answer, but none of them were really any help - I couldn't remember enough Milton, Tolkien's story about Melkor/Morgoth pretty much mirrors that of Lucifer/Satan without going into any real detail and Lewis cheats by bringing Queen Jadis into Narnia from another, dead world about the origins of which we know nothing.

In the end I just said that the evil somehow started and grew inside the devil but that I frankly didn't know how or why. Nonetheless, the fact remains that it's with us in the world now and we all have a duty to fight it off as best we can.

What is the true origin of evil? Interesting question and one way beyond my humble theological depth.

UPDATE: Whoa, harmonic convergence alert! The Colossus is all over Evil this morning.

Posted by Robert at December 13, 2006 09:44 AM | TrackBack
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Re: Evil
Only God is perfect. Evil comes about because we are imperfect creations. God could have created a perfect world, but our purpose here is to struggle with our imperfections and to become better people because of it; that is where free will comes into being. Now, how you get that point across to a child, well I'm just glad I'm not a dad.

Posted by: rbj at December 13, 2006 10:35 AM

My mom explained it this way and it's always sat well enough with me (though as I've gotten older I realize that it's one of the mysteries that humans will never fully understand):

God created angels and humans with free will because He wanted us to love Him because we chose it, not because we were mindless robots. But with free will comes the ability to choose to misuse gifts we are given. Lucifer was given gifts of exceeding beauty and power amongst angels. He had pride in those things - not necessarily bad - but in his free will he twisted that pride and used it for ill. Evil, essentially, is a twisting or misuse of good, which God allows because He gifted us with free will.

Posted by: beth at December 13, 2006 11:43 AM

Free will. Which brings you to the Problem of Evil, writ large.

When I was young and cynical, I used to come to the conclusion that the existence of free will made an omnibenevolent God impossible.

But as that soon led to the notion that there was nothing wrong with being a monster, I decided instead to embrace humility, and see the creation of Free will as a good that I am not fully capable of understanding.

The furthest I have come in my understanding is that God wanted us to be like him, possessing free will, and that act (though I can't see why) is an even greater good than god permitting the existence of evil.

I believe in logic -- to a point. But I think religion comes from a part of us that is intuitive, and pre-logical. I've come to the conclusion that while logic is an important flower of human thought, it is by no means the only one -- else there would be no art, music, or storytelling. I find that logic only goes so far when describing certain things. God is among them.

On the whole, this illogical answer has worked for me better than atheism.

Posted by: The Colossus at December 13, 2006 12:27 PM

Robbo, I see evil as the absence of good, just as dark is the absence of light. That which is good is a creation of God. As we (and presumabley angels) are given free will, choosing to turn away from good leaves the vacuum of evil.

Good is hard but brings us closer to God.

Evil is (often) "easier, more seductive" as Yoda would say. Good requires faith and trust.

And I tend to agree with Dark Helmet's assessment that Evil will always triumph over Good because Good is dumb...

No, wait. That's not right.

Oh screw it. You know what I mean.

Posted by: Gary at December 13, 2006 02:41 PM

Rove. Karl Rove.

Plus private property. Rousseau was right--if we can only get rid of private property, everything will be, like, soooooooooooo hunky dory and shit.

Posted by: Steve the LLamabutcher at December 13, 2006 03:25 PM

Hopped on over here from Lintefiniel Jen's place. :-)

Part of God's very good plan includes allowing choice to the angels and humans. God created Adam and Eve perfect, but they could choose to obey or disobey. We see the result of Adam's choice every day. Lucifer chose to rebel against his Creator, the God of the universe and fail his angelic mission, so he was punished. We see the results of his choice every day, too.

I guess I'm coming at this from the angle that sin is any act against God and his perfect standard. We all knowingly sin and also have sins of omission, because we're not perfect. But in Lucifer's case, since he was an angel, he knew much more, and rebelled against all his perfect knowledge in so complete a manner that his punishment fits his rebellion.

That's how I might explain it. :-)

Posted by: PrincessJami at December 13, 2006 03:32 PM