April 20, 2005

Benny 16 update (with more Ratzinger/Rove theories!)

Amerika's favorite Commie has some good insight with the whole Ratzinger/Hitler Youth story. I braved a few minutes of Keith Olbermann last night, and of course this was the first story---Hitler's Pope, yadda, yadda....

Of course, it's ironic hearing someone named Olbermann lecture on the sins of the German people.

I had a long talk with my Mom last night about the Conclave---she was hoping for one of the third world cardinals, if only for the Church to address the issues of women in the Church (my Mom is no militant by any stretch of the imagination, but is quite perturbed on this point).

I don't know yet what to think. To me, what's interesting to see is the beginning of the cannonization of John Paul II---and how people are beginning to refer to him as John Paul the Great. I really don't mind this.

But for me the larger question is what is the legacy of the Church in both America and the world. Obviously, the role of the Church is not to be popular, but to stand for doctrinal Truth. To me what was the funniest about the hyperventilated commentary was how quickly commentators were aghast that the new pope believes in.......Catholic doctrine. Not to mention how quickly folks like Axis Sully were predicting the new Inquistion, as if the Diocese of Boston is going to start burning heretics at the stake in downtown Provincetown.

If I were Dan Brown, though, I'd be keeping a low profile and be on the lookout for legions of flying monkeys descending from the sky.

For me it's difficult, as a child of Vatican II. I don't remember the old ways at all---I was born in 1966. Our parish was constantly in trouble with the Diocese because we did some things the old ways, but in other ways we were in line with the flow. I get a little ticked sometimes (in a way that is peculiar to me, as our long-time reader Mrs. Robbo's Mom knows) because my age cohort got screwed growing up by the establishment: we got new math, language arts instead of grammar, social studies instead of history, and don't EVEN get me started on teaching us the damn metric system. But, the Church experimented on us too, with rather fuzzy-wuzzy instruction. Sad to say, I do in fact know most of the words to "Kumbaya." We are the children of Paul VI---we came of age before John Paul Magnus reenergized the youth, but after Vatican II's introduction of the vulgate and guitars.

So where does this all lead for me? As I said, I don't know. I like having a Pope I disagree with, if only to force me to think that much harder about things and not be complacent.

But I worry that this Pope will launch a new crusade, one that it will lose.

And that would be a bad thing, indeed.

D'Oh! How did I miss this joke yesterday? Chai-Rista is going to have to whack my repeatedly upside the skull with a Starsky and Hutch lunchbox.

UPDATE: The Irish Elk looks back fondly on then Cardinal Ratzinger's leading of the theological smackdown of Liberation Theology.

UPDATE DEUX:

Axis Sully:

THE POLITICAL ANALOGY: I was trying to explain last night to a non-Catholic just how dumb-struck many reformist Catholics are by the elevation of Ratzinger. And then I found a way to explain. This is the religious equivalent of having had four terms of George W. Bush only to find that his successor as president is Karl Rove. Get it now?

Yeah, we sure do.

And man, that next fund drive's going to be a bitch, no?

MORE AXIS SULLY: I know, I know I shouldn't, but I'm a naughty boy...

THE POLITICAL ANALOGY: I was trying to explain last night to a non-Catholic just how dumb-struck many reformist Catholics are by the elevation of Ratzinger. And then I found a way to explain. This is the religious equivalent of having had four terms of George W. Bush only to find that his successor as president is Karl Rove. Get it now?

Yeah, the same company that made the voting machines in Ohio and Florida sold the Vatican its hay for the smoke.

More gems:


What many of us are asking for is simply the ability for lay Catholics and indeed priests and theologians to be able to debate respectfully such pressing issues as mandatory celibacy for the priesthood, a less rigid biological understanding of the rights and dignity of women, and a real dialogue with gay Catholics about how we can practically live lives that reflect our human dignity and our profound human need for intimacy and sexual expression. We'd also like to see greater autonomy for national churches, a respect for political secularism, and a more open hierarchy that cannot get away with a criminal conspiracy to hide the widespread sexual abuse of children and teens. None of this is that radical in the context of change in the last fifty years. None of it is subject to infallibility. And what we object to is the arrogant notion that lay people - let alone theologians or priests - do not even have the right to raise these questions within a formal church context.

In other words, Anglicanism.

THIS IS WHY I LOVE BLOGWORLD: Macktastic Rusty Wicked nails it.

It's days like these that I do indeed miss Allahpundit...

Posted by Steve at April 20, 2005 01:00 PM
Comments

The Catholic Church isn't going to start burning heretics? I guess there's no reason to join then. And I was starting a list of those to burn, too.
Regarding the HY thing, what do people expect a 14 year old kid, in 1941 Nazi Germany to do to oppose Hitler?

Posted by: RobertJ at April 20, 2005 01:26 PM

RobertJ,

The answer, of course, is to be found in the movie "Swing Kids". They opposed Hitler by learning how to play jazz. Nearly brought down thew whole Third Reich.

That movie is so bad, incidentally, that ten minutes into watching it, I was officially rooting for the Nazis. Not a sympathy I often have, though as my wife could confirm, every time we watch "The Sound of Music" I interrupt the nuns/cemetery scene by shouting "They're behind the tombstones! Get 'em!"

Posted by: The Colossus at April 20, 2005 01:55 PM

Steve-O-what crusade do you think B16 is going to start? I would be happy if he just cleaned out the pedophiles and pederasts from the American church and enforced the ban on ordaining homosexuals imposed by John XXIII.

Posted by: LMC at April 20, 2005 04:41 PM

I am not even Catholic, and Sully makes me mad. Wouldn't it be rather arrogant of a church to conform to the whims of men, instead of the laws of God? Maybe it's just me, but I think conforming to decaying moral standards and sin would be not so good for a church to do.

Posted by: TheRoyalFamily at April 20, 2005 05:26 PM

I almost hate to admit this but I was raised Catholic. What the people who want the Church to "change with times" don't seem to get is that isn't what Churches do - it certainly isn't what the RC Church does.

Oh, occasionally they admit mistakes - I don't think they give out indulgences they way they did in the 1500's, but when they stopped, the Lutherans didn't all go back to Rome.

If you don't like what the Roman Catholic Church stands for, go find a different church, there are plenty to choose from both Christian and not.

I think the real problem is that they don't want to cause problems at home. They are still Catholic (that makes Mom, and Grandma very happy) but they don't believe in a whole set of Catholic doctrine. But you can see that doesn't make sense. They aren't Catholic - they just say they are to keep the peace at home. Cardinal Ratzinger said you can't have it both ways. But then John Paul II said the same thing. I don't see any reason to believe Benedict XVI will change that stance.

If you want to be a Roman Catholic, there is a laundry list of things you must believe. The Church is not going to change. The only question is will you? (Perhaps a reveiw of Church history would help.)

Now this will come to break, either they will go their own way or go back into the fold.

Posted by: Zendo Deb at April 20, 2005 07:00 PM
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