She will never be President. Even if she gets the nomination - a big if - she'll be saddled with the usual moonbat platform. BTW, did u know that the Dems 2000 platform called for restoring the so-called Fairness Doctrine (ie, govt regulation of private radio stations to dilute conservative voices in AM radio)

I would like to make two points (neither of which is in support of HRC). 1) Right now the MoveOn.org crowd represents 57% of the US population. The stay the course crowd 36%. Real fringe group. 2) Apparently the Iraqi people (81%) and the Iraqi elected government also have joined the MoveOn.org crowd, both asking for immediate withdrawal of troops. Question now is our administration willing to recognize the autonomy of the Iraqi government (massive flaws in the election and all)? The will of the American people?

A few more numbers for you, LB Buddy, courtesy of the Cook Political Report poll: 52 percent of Americans think Democrats are seeking partisan political advantage when they criticize Bush's Iraq policy. Just 30 percent think they're seeking the best outcome in Iraq. 68 percent think the Democrats' statements hurt troop morale; 14 percent think their expressions of concern are appreciated by the troops. And, of course, 90 percent of the MoveOn.org crowd thought that 51 percent of the voters were mouth-breathing, Godsmitten imbeciles when they voted to re-elect Bush last November. Why this new-found respect for the Will of the Pee-pul?

Also, Hillary's already overplayed her unprincipled lurch to the middle. At DU and elsewhere in the sinistrosphere, she's trailng candidates like Al Gore and Wesley Clark. Just thought it would be nice to throw in something germane.

That might be the scariest part, that Hillary will be the stable alternative when the MoveOn candidate fizzles. But she won't have to worry about being a bridge - what alternative will the far left have? They won't be voting for a Republican, not even McCain, but they will turn out in droves to vote against the Repub.

Yeah, that's a variation of preference falsification in polling. To say 52% (picking a number) disapprove of how the President is prosecuting the war would include those folks who were against the war all along, those who've changed their minds, but also the people who think the President is not prosecuting it hard enough. Don't underestimate that slice.

"but also the people who think the President is not prosecuting it hard enough"

But when asked whether it was worth it, 67% say no. So there is likely a counter-balance to this argument for people that disapprove but feel it is not their place to say "end it".

You know, everyone quotes this 67% number, but I've yet to hear what the EXACT WORDING was of the survey question to which those 67% responded.

I don't remember ANY of the math from my statistics class, but this one quote has stuck with me: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Also, the professor's caution that you ask questions about the details of any statistical survey before you accept as gospel any assumption presented to you about the meaning of the results.

So what was the question asked? Who did they ask? You can't really say the American Public, because *I* sure as hell wasn't surveyed. Can anyone actually direct me to that information?

Brian:

I was off by 3%, it is actually 64%. Here is one of the most recent:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/10/opinion/polls/main930772.shtml

While one data point is not necessarily indicative, the trend line over the last year is very clear. Increased dissatisfaction with the war. Several different polls from different sources show the same trends.

I would have preferred more people were against the war before it happened (tens of millions protesting around the world were completely disregarded as hippy loons). But better late than never...

Re poll link:

Far be it from me to quibble, but would this be the same CBSNews that tried to sabotage a Presidency via their premier anchor and its "queen for a day now persona non grata" producer?

I think I'll flush that poll along with all of those other polls of the people. The only polls that matter are on election day and on the floors of Congress. The rest is fodder for the endless parade of talking heads and a thimble full of inc*stuous media centers.